Keep a single light armor repair drone in your bay, same thing you do in a pilgrim.

After seeing the 1000dps blaster fit shield cruiser, I'm inclined to JUST use this ship in PvP. Cloak, approach, 0, and kill. Ogres (either a second set to say F* you. If they kill one, woopty friggen do) and Blaster II with void.

If this was meant as an exploration cruiser for long deployments, I'm not seeing it. Going by everyones suggestions and the bonuses as is, I see drone version of the Vigilant that can cloak on top of that.

Thought the idea was exploration with some teeth? I see lots of teeth with a little bit of explo.


Increase cargo bay, by quite a bit, drop the drone bay size to say.. 200? an decrease the bandwidth to 100. Its a CRUISER. Not a battle cruiser. Not a battle ship. Its a long deployment explo cruiser. Even if you strictly focused on that people are going to break it for Pvp so theres no worries there.

The mobile fitting array will take care of any needs regarding swapping out drones. This will be an essential NEED for "long deployments" so why not focus around the fact that one is going to be carried?

Keep hearing people cry "no laser bonuses? wtf? Needs more pew pew." I saw, wheres my hybrid turret bonus? I could use more dps on top that 1000. Go home.

Amarr uses drones also, so it is a shared trait. If it gets lasers it is pushed too much to the Amarr side.

It dosent get an armor rep bonus, it gets an armor resistance bonus which is an amarr trait.

Carry a mobile fitting array and you wont ever need to have a large drone bay unless you were PvPing and didnt know what you were engaging.

I absolutely HATE the new minigame. It has killed explo for me in every way. Explo is now only about plexes for me.

I am not sure if anyone posted it before because this thread has 29 pages, but I think you guys should totally change desing of those SoE ships because of that:

Vulcan's star trek ship


It's just my curiosity;
Why you guys used same design as in Star Trek, it was pure mistake I meant you didn't know this or you did it specially because it's look good for example?

No, not really. Just typical carebear wishful thinking. And I quote:



Emphasis mine.

You presume I was trying to be.

It's a pvp ship. At least, the way I intend to use it certainly is. Interestingly enough, as far as quite a few types of exploration are concerned, it's more of a pvp ship than it is otherwise. The mere +5 virus strength pretty much invalidates it's use in nullsec (and lowsec unless you have pretty good skills for it).

So, whatever else the devs might say, it's good at 2 things: Doing DED sites with drones, and ganking people. I plan to use it for one of those. You and yours, on the other hand, want to stomp your proverbial feet, kick up a fuss, and try to take that toy from other people. You don't see me advocating to have it's ability to do DED sites nerfed, have you?

Live and let live, as far as playstyles go.

That's what the ACR II is for. 1150 * 1.15 = 1322.5.



Vexor and Ishtar don't have covops cloaks *headdesk* *facepalm*

None of those ships can use a covert cloak and land on top of their target to drop their heavies.

So, the part about "killing anom runners" was... what, precisely? A joke?

Or unless Rise was just blowing smoke, he meant that it has pvp applications. Which is how I intend to use it. PvP ship.

Aaaand we can't read between the lines, I see.

It's an inherently inferior ship in most of the aspects in which it might be used to pve. Of all of them, it arguably is only useful at running DED sites in comparison to any other exploration bonused ship.

It can't run relic or data sites as well as a T2 cov ops frigate(which costs about 10% of what this thing does). So it might as well not have those bonuses. It can do DED sites much better than any other ship with a probe bonus though.

And that's all that exploration is. Combat sites, and non combat sites. It sucks at the non combat sites, ergo it's primarily for combat sites. Which is why it has such a nice combat fitting loadout, and such nice drones.

So. It's good at combat, and it has a cov ops cloak...

And this doesn't scream "Gank people with me!" to you?

If that's the case, you are incredibly dense.

#1. Cov ops frigs do not need to fight. They removed rats for data and relic sites everywhere but wormholes. As a result, if you are going to do those sites, you need that +10 virus strength. This ship doesn't have it, so unless you are going to blow the price of a faction ship on highsec hacking sites, it may as well not even have the bonus in the first place. +10 is the gold standard, have it or go home.

#2, uh, what? It does suck at non combat exploration, unequivocally. Again, unless you think highsec hacking sites actually count, this point cannot be disputed, and certainly not by sticking your fingers in your ears and humming so you can't hear me.

#3 No, I saw the use I want out of it. I want to use it to sneak up on people and kill them. That's what a cov ops cloak is for. Defense is obtained by actually checking D-scan for other people's probes. Cov ops cloak is an offensively minded module.

You can blather on about "bonused for exploration so you aren't allowed to call it a pvp ship" as much as you want, you're still wrong. (further, I can call it what I want. What you want does not matter to me in any sense of the word)

Of all the bonuses it can actually use, it's bonused for probes, armor resists, and drones. Like I said, the +5 virus might as well not be there.

Nothing about armor, drones and probes screams "pve ship". Especially not when it has a cloak.

Why cant you see theres more to this game than pve? This is Everyone Vs Everyone. EVE. If theres a way to use something for pvp, then its for pvp. Theres no such thing as roles. For years people used the ishtar and domi as neut ships with drones. Neuts werent their role, thats just what worked best with those ships. This ship will be used as a cloaky gank ship. Thats what it will be best at, and it'll be DAMN good at that. Too good.

You can call it a pve ship all you want. I'll start calling megathrons pve ships. Obviously everyones gonna stop using them in fleet doctrines because hey... they're a pve ship.

And you don't need 900 dps to run a 6/10. You can complete almost all of them with sub 400 dps. Why do we have to keep defending this ship keeping its insanely high dps?

Lol.

CCP is offering a ship that, and I quote, can be used for "killing anom runners". Which is precisely what I want to do with it.

Aside from you being butthurt about pvp players, what's wrong with that?

(oh, and I handily refuted all of your points, which is why you resorted to such an obvious diversion and dismissal tactic. It's a fair bet that the first person to do this is the overall loser of the argument. As such, I accept your surrender, being the gracious person that I am.)

Why would you care about tank when you have the greatest substitute for tank in the game? Why would you not focus on gank when trying to kill other players before their buddies show up? Unless you are sure you are going to get 1v1 honorable combat (HAH!) then trying to focus on outlasting your opponents borderline suicidal in this ship.

PvE? sure, I posted a fit. There is a link to it right above your post. It has more than enough tank for 6/10s. It could probably do a 7/10 with a little piloting skill. If you aren't minimizing tank in PvE then you aren't maximizing your profits, as that is what PvE is about, no?

Its like talking to a coconut. Blaster proteus are one of if not the most popular stealth gank ship right now. They're more expensive, hurt more if you lose one, and wont be as effective as this ship. Tons of people fly them. The only thing the proteus has going for it is more ehp and the nullifier sub. Which you dont fit to most gank fits.

What makes you think there would be a minority of people using this for pvp? Thats ridiculous.

If its good for something people will use it for that. You can say its meant for one thing till you're blue in the face. Ships in this game dont have giant flags saying PVE on them or restrictions saying " YOU CAN ONLY SHOOT RED CROSSES WITH THIS!"

Look outside of your little box and try and think of what effects a ship like this would have on the game. Stop saying its for pve. Its for whatever people wanna use it for.

That's just my point. No, there is no reason to have lasers on this ship, or a laser bonus. Regardless of whatever someone chooses to do with it, none of those scenarios involve the use of laser turrets.

yup and Amarr are half drones and it gets a resistance bonus. so it fulfills it Amarr side quire well

How's this for better stats?

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Astero

Role Bonus: 100% reduction in CPU requiement for cloaks
Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Prob Strength (maybe this should be a rounder number? right now it follows the t1 bonus)
Role Bonus: +10(+5) Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers

Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking devices

Amarr Frigate Bonus:
4% bonus to Armor Resists
OR
+5m^3 drone bay per level

Gallente Frigate Bonus:
20% bonus to drone hitpoints
10% bonus to drone hitpoints and optimal range

Slot layout: 3H(+1), 4M, 3L(-1); 2 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 32 PWG, 170 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 480(-80) / 660(+60) / 620(+20)
Capacitor (amount) : 430
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 312 / 2.87 / 975000 / 3.88s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 37km / 620 / 6
Sensor strength: 13
Signature radius: 35
Cargo Capacity: 210

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Stratios

Role Bonus: 50% reduction in Energy Turret capacitor need
Role Bonus: 37.5% bonus to Energy Turret tracking and optimal range
Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Prob Strength
Role Bonus: +5 Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers

Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking devices

Amarr Cruiser Bonus:
4% bonus to Armor Resists

Gallente Cruiser Bonus:
10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damage

Slot layout: 5H, 5M, 5L; 3 turrets (-1) , 0 launchers
Fittings: 920 PWG, 400 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1450(-500) / 2400 / 2450
Capacitor (amount) : 1700
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 182 / .47 / 9350000 / 6.09s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 275 / 7
Sensor strength: 20
Signature radius: 150
Cargo Capacity: 550

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What these changes accomplish:

ASTERO:
The Astero is made a better frigate overall - with the loss of a lowslot, there is now potential for better drone application and better damage. It should be great for doing the lowest level complexes and blitzing L1s and L2 in hostile space - maybe even better performance in wormhole space! Since there's no gun bonus and not too much tank, it won't be overpowered when it comes to PvP. The +5 virus strength will be a welcome bonus to those of us who do sites in nullsec (this can be changed back if it overshadows other ships too much). The loss of shield HP makes it so this can not be turned into an OP PvP brawler because of 4 mid slots.

STRATIOS:
The loss of a turret slot on the Stratios minimizes the potential for the neutron fits that some people think are OP (despite them being complete glass cannons)- yet damage application will be better for PvE'ers, making this ship more capable in PvE and less capable in PvP. The loss of shield HP prevents the efficiency of pure shield gank fits.

Amarr is armor too, and they are drones too so is gallente. Both races have contributed to the effectiveness of the ship.
The laser's only contributiing factor to the ship is its small charge size, and nothing else there are other weapons that preform better overall without tracking, damage, and projection bonuses.